Discussing Questions And Answers About Cooking For Dogs With Ibd

Sharon asks…

we have been feeding the cat raw chicken necks and he eats the lot, is that to much bone for him??

ok more details, hes a burmese cat so he LOVES meat, he also gets the good biscuits from the vet clinics, the meat is just a treat to stop him wining at night hel proberly only eat 4 a day?

Jimmy answers:

Raw necks are great and there is not toio much bone. Just do NOT cook them for him
There is not good bisquits available at vets, period
Canned food no grains would be best and you may want to consider a raw food diet. If interested in it, email me for sites on how to make ity. In the meantime
Nutrition since there are so many bad things out there is very important to your cat’s health
Contrary to what you may have heard; dry foods are not a great thing to feed a cat.
Please read the label on what you are feeding? What are the ingredients? Do you know what they mean? Is the first ingredient a muscle meat like chicken or is it meal or other things? Learn what meal and other things mean here.

Http://www.catinfo.org/#Learn_How_To_Rea…

Dry foods are the number 1 cause of diabetes in cats as well as being a huge contributing factor to kidney disease, obesity, crystals, u.t.i’s and a host of other problems. Food allergies are very common when feeding dry foods. Rashes, scabs behind the tail and on the chin are all symptoms of food allergies probably from the grains. Constipation? Dry food, not enough moisture. Blockages? Again not enough moisture in the food and you are risking something serious. People on this board say feed fiber but this is a cat not a dog and cats are obligate carnivores unlike dogs an they don’t eat cereal and don’t need fiber.
The problems associated with Dry food is that they are loaded with carbohydrates which many cats (carnivores) cannot process. Also, Most of the moisture a cat needs is suppose to be in the food (Cats are not naturally big drinkers) but in
Dry, 95% of it is zapped out of dry foods in the processing. Another thing, most use horrible ingredients and don’t use a muscle meat as the primary ingredient and use vegetable based protein versus animal. Not good for an animal that has to eat meat to survive.
You want to pick a canned food w/o gravy (gravy=carbs) that uses a muscle meat as the first ingredient and doesn’t have corn at all or grains at least in the first 3 ingredients if at all. Fancy feast is a middle grade food as it uses a muscle meat as the first ingrediant. 9lives, friskies whiskas are lower grade canned but still better then dry and wellness and merrick upper grade human quality foods.
Many foods are not mentioned here but if you read the labels you wiull know if it is qualaty. The price offers no guideline.
The optimum food to feed cats has no grains whatsoever, cats have no use for them and many have trouble processing them as well as the carbs. IBD is another disease that is rapidly becoming common amoung cats because of the inappropriate diets being fed.
Also, dry food is not proven to be better for teeth. Does a hard pretzel clean your teeth or do pieces of it get stuck? Why do people constantly repeat this old wives tale and put teeth over the organs like the kidneys?? (I have no clue) http://www.felinefuture.com/nutrition/bp…

Please read about cat nutrition.

Http://www.newdestiny.us/nutritionbasics…

Http://www.catinfo.org/feline_obesity.ht…

Http://maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.ht…

Linda asks…

my kitten is throwing up?

My kitten has been throwing up 3-4 times a day in the morning(approx. 45 min after eating) since sunday. he is 9 weeks old and weighs 2 lbs 3 oz. we took him to the vet yesterday and he seemed very worried and put him on a low fat diet and also gave him antibiotics and a deworm (first time to the vet) he said he wasnt sure why he was throwing up but hopefully the antibiotics and deworm will work and he doesnt have something lodged in his stomach. (surgery is $800.00!!) . so last night i started feeding him boiled chicken and plain white rice. he kept it down last night but this morning he threw it up :( . we can also feed him dry low fat kitten food but i went through pets smart’s 100 something foods and couldnt find much of anything (we had been feeding him purina kitten chow).
I want to know who knows of a low fat kitten food that isnt a million dollars
Is it normal for him to be throwing up again today?
will it get better?
and is my vet correct in what he is perscribing me?

Jimmy answers:

Was the antibiotic Metronidazole? It is often used for intestinal things and also works against some kinds of parasites. Is the kitten also having diarrhea?
Did the kitten need subcutaneous or IV fluids? All this vomiting could cause dehydration and an electrolyte imbalance.

Previous to today, does he only throw up in the morning after eating? This makes me wonder, do you usually feed him something different in the evening and he holds it down then?
Did he throw up the boiled chicken & rice this AM before you had fed him anything else?

Ask the vet about giving an anti-emetic (anti-vomiting ) medication while you are seeing if the AB and worm med will work. Cerenia is very good; it is technically for dogs but a LOT of vets use it for cats ,including at our cat-only vet hospital. . I’m sure the vet could check with colleagues on VIN ( an online forum for vets) or somewhere about using it on a kitten this age if he hasn’t done so before.

The low fat thing is probably just trying to give him something bland and easy to digest for a few days.
It may be he even suspects pancreatitis, although dietary fat is not the big risk factor for pancreatitis in most cats like it is in dogs.

There are also a lot of good foods that are for both cats and kittens. They would say for cats and kittens, or “for all life stages” somewhere in the info on the label , maybe with the feeding guidelines . ( which often say to feed way too much at least for adult cats!)
A lot of cat food IS high fat. Especially kitten food and “all life stages” . They need more fat than we do and for nearly all cats, that is at least better than food being extremely high in carbohydrates (like most dry food) .

Merrick Grammy’s Pot Pie canned food is relatively low fat and is for both cats and kittens. But if he’s not even holding down plain boiled chicken and rice, I’m not sure if he will hold that down either..
Or Weruva Paw lickin Chicken, I’m not sure if it is even considered “for all life stages” because it is so low in fat, and thus its lower in calories than most cat food. . But it’s high protein which is important for kittens and cats. It’s pretty much just chicken, a small amount of tapioca and supplements. So it is a very bland , high protein low fat low carb food. I think it’s fine to feed kittens as long as they get enough of it.
But again, if he is not keeping down the chicken and rice, I’m not sure if he would keep that down either.
You could try giving just chicken without rice.
& like I said, ask about giving an anti vomiting med.

Some cats have food sensitivities . Some common allergens are corn, wheat and soy. So I would definitely avoid those.
And sometimes cats need to eat food that is from some different kind of proteins they have not had before. For example, my cat with IBD would vomit if he ate beef. And sometimes chicken. The internal med specialist vet recommended choosing either venison, rabbit or duck. (not switching back and forth between them.) Natures Variety Instinct comes in those kinds. And I chose the venison. And fed it in canned and then started also feeding some of the raw frozen venison.

For cats suspected of having a sort of allergic reaction to food, the carbs should also be something they are not used to; such diets often include rice or peas instead of corn or wheat. But really cats do not have a need for dietary carbohydrates. I don’t mind giving a very small amount but meat should be their main diet..

Re making your own food — if it gets to be on a long term basis, you can’t feed just meat or meat & rice without also adding supplements for all the nutrients that would normally be in liver, bones, etc. Also there are things like taurine that are broken down by cooking but are absolutely essential, so they have to be added as supplements to any diet fed for more than a couple weeks, or as more than 20% of the diet.
If you do want to consider making your own cat food, http://www.catinfo.org is a vet’s site including a section on making cat food, with her own recipes. I think she uses either poultry or rabbit. )

Good luck. I hope your kitten will be OK. Make sure he is not dehydrated. Take a pinch of skin on his back, pull up and let go. It should snap back instantly in a split second. If it instead takes over a second to settle back he is dehydrated & you should phone the vet.
Would phone anyway and tell about the vomiting this AM

Maria asks…

Hill’s Science Plan cat food question?

where I’m from (South Africa), the Hill’s Science Diet feline doesn’t seem as bad the one from the U.S. The ingredients on the Hill’s here are as follows: Chicken and Turkey Meal, ground maize, ground rice, animal fat, maize gluten meal, digest, DL-Methionine, salt, calcium carbonate, taurine, vits and trace elements. Preserved with mixed tocopherols, citric acid and rosemary extract. The one’s in the U.S seem prettty crap: they’ve by-products and the first ingredients isn’t even meat. But here, the first ingredient IS a meat, and there are no by-products or dodgy preservatives. That’s good right? Finally… do you guys think Royal Canin is better than Hill’s? By the way, Innova, Wellness, Wysong , Felidae etc are NOT available yet in my country. Will have to wait….
Elaine/anybody… is it possible then to feed Royal Canin Siamese to my cat even though my cat isn’t a Siamese? I mean…will it harm her in any way?

Jimmy answers:

Edited to add. You should not be feeding any dry food at all. To answer you last question, is there such thing as a differnt mouse or different bird for certain breeds of cats?Of course not. Read the labels and don’t belive the marketing As far as it being 38% protein, there is no way to know that as you have to get the as fed values from the food company and then do the math calculations. The labels are not a true reprsentation of percentages

This is not any better and in fact is pure garbage for your cat.
The first ingrediant is meal, not plain chicken and turkey. It’s rendered. Do you know the difference? ‘meal” is technically a muscle meat but the term “meal” denotes that it has been rendered (cooked for a long time at very high temperatures) and is lower quality than meat that has not been as heavily processed. A “meal” product is more commonly found in dry foods. By-products can include feet, intestines, feathers, egg shells, etc. And can be less nutritious than meat. See here for more on by-products.’
(Link how to read labels below)
Rice foir a carnivore? Gluten?. Please
You don’t have to await for different products to arrive in your country. You have to loearn what a cat needs and oesn’t need, read the labels and shop accordingly. You can also prepare a raw diet if you want. (I can provide links if you are interested,)
Nutrition since there are so many bad things out there is very important to your cat’s health
Contrary to what you may have heard; dry foods are not a great thing to feed a cat.
Please read the label on what you are feeding? What are the ingredients? Do you know what they mean? Is the first ingredient a muscle meat like chicken or is it meal or other things? Learn what meal and other things mean here.

Http://www.catinfo.org/#Learn_How_To_Rea…

Dry foods are the number 1 cause of diabetes in cats as well as being a huge contributing factor to kidney disease, obesity, crystals, u.t.i’s and a host of other problems. Food allergies are very common when feeding dry foods. Rashes, scabs behind the tail and on the chin are all symptoms of food allergies probably from the grains. Constipation? Dry food, not enough moisture. Blockages? Again not enough moisture in the food and you are risking something serious. People on this board say feed fiber but this is a cat not a dog and cats are obligate carnivores unlike dogs an they don’t eat cereal and don’t need fiber.
The problems associated with Dry food is that they are loaded with carbohydrates which many cats (carnivores) cannot process. Also, Most of the moisture a cat needs is suppose to be in the food (Cats are not naturally big drinkers) but in
Dry, 95% of it is zapped out of dry foods in the processing. Another thing, most use horrible ingredients and don’t use a muscle meat as the primary ingredient and use vegetable based protein versus animal. Not good for an animal that has to eat meat to survive.
You want to pick a canned food w/o gravy (gravy=carbs) that uses a muscle meat as the first ingredient and doesn’t have corn at all or grains at least in the first 3 ingredients if at all. Fancy feast is a middle grade food as it uses a muscle meat as the first ingrediant. 9lives, friskies whiskas are lower grade canned but still better then dry and wellness and merrick upper grade human quality foods. The optimum food to feed cats has no grains whatsoever, cats have no use for them and many have trouble processing them as well as the carbs. IBD is another disease that is rapidly becoming common amoung cats because of the inappropriate diets being fed.
Also, dry food is not proven to be better for teeth. Does a hard pretzel clean your teeth or do pieces of it get stuck? Why do people constantly repeat this old wives tale and put teeth over the organs like the kidneys?? (I have no clue) http://www.felinefuture.com/nutrition/bp…

Please read about cat nutrition.

Http://www.newdestiny.us/nutritionbasics…

Http://www.catinfo.org/feline_obesity.ht…

Http://maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.ht…

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