Discussing Questions And Answers About Dog Food With Turkey And Sweet Potatoes

John asks…

Very high quality dog foods? UK?

Okay so I have come down to several foods I am considering.
Fish4dogs
Composition: Ocean White Fish, Potato, Fish Meal, Salmon Oil, Beet Fibre, Brewers Yeast , Minerals,

Analytical Constituents: Crude Protein 30%; Fat Content 14%; Crude Ash 8%; Crude Fibres 2%

Orijen
Ingredients
Deboned chicken (25%), dehydrated chicken (16%), deboned salmon (9%), dehydrated turkey (7%), dehydrated herring (6%), russet potato, sweet potato, peas, deboned turkey (3%), chicken fat (3%), whole eggs (3%), chicken liver (2%), deboned lake whitefish (2%), deboned walleye (2%),alfalfa, pea fibre, deboned herring (2%), organic kelp, pumpkin, chicory root, carrots, spinach, turnip greens, apples, cranberries, blueberries, licorice root, angelica root, fenugreek, marigold flowers, sweet fennel, peppermint leaf, chamomile, dandelion, summer savory, rosemary.

ANALYTICAL CONSTITUENTS
Crude protein (min.) 38.0 %
Crude fat (min.) 16.0 %
Crude fiber (max.) 3.0 %
Moisture (max.) 10.0 %
Calcium (min./max.) 1.5 % / 1.7 %
Phosphorus (min./max.) 1.2 % / 1.4 %
Omega-6 (min.) 2.6 %
Omega-3 (min.) 1 %

Taste of the wild
Ingredients:
Dried duck meat, , dried chicken meat, eggs, sweet potatoes, peas, chicken fat, potatoes, roasted quail, roasted duck, smoked turkey, natural flavouring, tomato pomace, ocean fish meal, salt, choline chloride, dried chicory root, tomatoes, blueberries, raspberries, yucca schidigera extract, Enterococcus faecium, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Lactobacillus casei and Lactobacillus plantarum, dried Trichoderma longibrachiatum fermentation extract, vitamins (A, B1, B2, B6, B12, C, D, E), minerals (iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, manganese proteinate ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, manganese sulphate), potassium iodide, manganous oxide, biotin, calcium pantothenate, sodium selenite, folic acid.

Analytical constituents:

fiber4.0 %
phosphorus1.4 %
fat18.0 %
omega-6 fats2.4 %
zinc150.0 mg/kg
calcium2.1 %
moisture10.0 %
omega-3 fats0.4 %
selenium0.4 mg/kg
vitamin E (tocopherol)150.0 IU
food energy3750.0 kcal/kg
protein32.0 %

Arden Grange
Ingredients:
Chicken Meal* (min 30%), Whole Grain Rice (min 19%), Whole Grain Maize, Chicken Fat*, Beet Pulp, Fresh Chicken (min 5%), Dried Brewers Yeast, Egg Powder, Fish Meal*, Linseed, Fish Oil*, Minerals, Vitamins, Nucleotides, Prebiotic FOS, Prebiotic MOS, Cranberry Extract, Chondroitin Sulphate, Glucosamine Sulphate, MSM, Yucca Extract.
* Preserved with mixed tocopherols and rosemary extract.

Analytical constituents:

copper (II) sulfate22.0 mg/kg
moisture8.0 %
protein26.0 %
ash7.0 %
fiber2.5 %
omega-6 fats3.8 %
vitamin D31350.0 IU
fat16.0 %
omega-3 fats0.69 %
vitamin A20000.0 IU
calcium1.4 %
food energy416.0 kcal/100 g
phosphorus0.95 %
vitamin E (tocopherol)135.0 IU

Okay so sorry for the very long post but which one do you recommend and why? Or do you recommend another dried dog food in the UK? Wet food to mix in too? This is for a 6 months old GR and 5 month old Boxer. Thanks.

Jimmy answers:

First, why I find 2 of the above foods less than appealing: beet pulp or beet fibre are low cost, low quality filler ingredients. They are a source of roughage, not protein, not good fat, and thus not needed for dogs. Great for cattle, horses, goats, but not dogs. Maize is great for ruminants as well, not so much for dogs. Brewer’s Yeast is also unnecessary and of questionable benefit to dogs. Meat has naturally occurring glucosamine, so adding it is inconsequential. Therapeutic doses must be very high to be effective for joint or bladder health, and there isn’t enough added to dog food diets to be of any benefit to either joints or bladder.

Thus, I say no for Fish4Dogs and Arden Grange. Also, I’ve never used these diets or their companies, never recommended them, and am unfamiliar with their manufacturing, ingredients sources, or customer service.

Second, why I do like 2 of your listed diets. Whole meat as a large portion of ingredients, no inexpensive fillers or by-products, variety of sources of omega fatty acids, good sources of meat-based protein, little to no vegetable-based protein, some but not too much grain as carbohydrate source, and, in Taste of the Wild’s (TOTW) case, probiotics. Champion Pet Foods makes Orijen, and they have very high manufacturing and distributing standards. Clean facilities. Clean suppliers of ingredients. The herbs and some of the vegetables added to the ingredients are superfluous, unnecessary marketing ploys to seem more “balanced” and well-rounded. Some dogs, such as Dalmatians, prone to uroliths, shouldn’t have spinach or turnip greens. TOTW is manufactured by Diamond, questionable at times in their protocols, ingredient sources, and customer service to repair mistakes or recalls.

I take my chances, feeding TOTW, rotating all their different diets, with Natura’s Innova and Evo, and occassionally Nature’s Variety Instinct and Prairie, for the dogs and cats, owned and patients.

Sorry you seem to have less options for quality pet food in the UK. Investigate getting local pet supply stores to carry better selection. We asked often enough and in demand enough, and big pet stores began carrying better foods we requested and exhibited demand for.

Chris asks…

Time to switch dog food,Natural Balance Recall?

I have a 14 month old 95lb doberman who is the picture of health, shiny coat energetic etc. He has been on Natural Balance Sweet Potato and Venison since 5 months because of diarrhea due to chicken and turkey intolerance.
I am looking to switch his food for 2 reasons 1 because even though his lot number is not on recall I believe anything in that factory could be contaminated.I feel as though I am taking a chance every time I feed Natural Balance. 2nd reason is I would like to find something with more meat and less veg. in the first 5 ingredients. He is temporarily on California Natural Venison Grain Free but that has only venison meal listed once in top 5.

An ideal food for him would be:
Poultry Free
Grain Free or little grain(he had a reaction to Natural Balance Lamb and Rice)
Beef, venison, fish meal or meat listed at least twice in first 5 ingredients.
Contains probiotics.
Absolutely no by-products.
Omega 3 and 6 would be a plus.
Does such a food exist? Serious suggestions of high quality food only please.
I have been reading many labels on line and consider asking yahoo comunity part of my Research.This is how I found Natural Balance when he had tummy problems .In my opinion asking someone who is using a food is more informative than any label.Thank You to all who realize this and are willing to share their experience with the many foods out there. We help each other to make things easier on our pets as switching a food is not something that should be done often in the best interest of the dog.

Jimmy answers:

I feed my dog Blue Buffalo. It’s a little more expensive, but it is VERY highly rated and I figure I’m saving money on vet bills by feeding my dog well..

David asks…

Orijen Dog Food?

Don`t you agree that Orijen is one of the best dog foods out there! If you compare the ingredients to Pedigree, it is sooo much better!

Orijen Puppy ingredients:

Deboned chicken, chicken meal, turkey meal, russet potato, lake whitefish, chicken fat, sweet potato, whole eggs, turkey, salmon meal, salmon and anchovy oils, salmon, natural chicken flavour, sunflower oil, sun-cured alfalfa, dried brown kelp, carrots, spinach, peas, tomatoes, apples, psyllium, dulse, glucosamine Hcl, cranberries, black currants, rosemary extract, chondroitin sulfate, sea salt.

http://www.championpetfoods.com/orijen/products/puppyIngredients.aspx

Now check out Pedigree`s ingredients.

http://www.pedigree.com.au/products/

Jimmy answers:

Love the look of Orijen food. I have been researching for a couple of months and Orijen is the food I keep coming back to. The ingredients are amazing, I like the ethics of the company, and the price is comparable to the brands I am currently using. I encourage everyone to check it out and compare it to the brand you currently use.

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